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patlynnw

New York
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Posted - 10/23/2012 :  3:53:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You know once a few months ago I had a signing at a nice fancy hotel in New York City where the signer was staying. We went to a restaurant in the hotel and the signer bought me my favorite drink - a rum and coke and got a beer for himself. He signed all the docs as we sipped our drinks and after double-checking all the documents, I left. Nobody was drunk, no loud, obnoxious, unprofessional behavior. The whole experience was very relaxing. If I didn't have to rush the docs over to FedEx I would've stayed for another round. Easily the best signing I've ever had!!

Patricia Warmack
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Notary007

60 Posts

Posted - 09/26/2011 :  2:51:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
At 7-Eleven stores, a slurred signature is called a "Slurpee"
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jbelmont

California
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Posted - 09/26/2011 :  1:56:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbelmont's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Is it possible to "slur" a signature? What is the correct terminology for that?

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IntegrityNotary

69 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2011 :  08:41:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about slightly drunk borrowers?

It's happened to me two times.

My wild Friday night signing: Everything was going well until the husband decided to get up and grab a longneck bottle of beer, of which he guzzled down in about 30 seconds. He even offered me one as well, to which I declined, of course. The wife started whining about how late it was and could barely stay awake anymore as she laid her head in her arms in a slump on their dining room table. He turned into quite the character, becoming more animated and talked loudly about how he would "hunt down" his l.o. if he was misinformed of anything. I think he was pretty harmeless but it was all I could do to get him to sit back down and finish signing the rest of the documents before the clock struck midnight.

The loan officer and the retired couple

On another occasion, I walked into the borrowers home and surprise, their l.o. is there-wearing a Hawaiain print shirt, drinking a glass of wine! Mr. and Mrs. were not partaking of the wine in front of me but judging by the pungent smell of alchohol and their overly merry dispositions, I'm pretty sure they had already had a glass or two before I got there. I was shocked. Who has their l.o. come over like it's a party and drinks wine with them? This is a business transaction, not a social gathering. Somehow I got through it. They were definitely aware enough to sign but it was quite challenging to keep the focus on the signing with all the loud talking that was going on and a l.o. who was trying to be macho man in front of me.

Oh, and they offered me a glass too, twice. I said no both times.




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Notary007

60 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2011 :  11:41:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As a public official, a notary is expected to behave in a professional manner when dealing with the public. Check your state notary laws and notary handbook regarding notary conduct. My state's notary handbook says that a notary must perform their duties in a manner that merits the trust, confidence and respect appropriate to the office.

A notary might have slurred speech due to a medical impairment, such as a stroke. But if they are still able to perform their duties, the slurred speech would not be unprofessional conduct, just a speech impairment.

I expect that professional conduct also includes dressing appropriately, as you would dress for a business meeting or job interview. Not dressed in shorts, T-shirt and flip-flops, unless that is how government officials normally dress in your state.
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jbelmont

California
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Posted - 09/07/2011 :  7:28:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbelmont's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That is right! Human life is the bigger issue here. It doesn't really matter if the notary slurs during their oath, so long as they do it right. I don't think there is any notary law regarding signing while intoxicated. I guess the various states never considered that.

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n/a

Missouri
3 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2011 :  10:56:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"I don't know if the person's commission should be revoked, but their driver license should be, because they are endangering people's lives on the road which is the bigger issue here."

This is exactly the reason I've never had a problem providing my driver license info to a respectable signing service or title company. I believe it's completely understandable for them to want to know what kind of risk they're taking on when they give us an assignment to drive to. The company could potentially be drawn into a lawsuit if there's a significant loss due to careless driving from one of their independent contractors (signing agents). JMO as a 34 year insurance producer in the State of MO.

Sincerely,

Dennis D. Broadbooks
Managing Member
Broadbooks Notary Services, LLC
(636) 458-1735
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jbelmont

California
3106 Posts

Posted - 08/23/2011 :  3:47:50 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbelmont's Homepage  Reply with Quote
We just had a great facebook post on this topic. We got dozens of replies. A notary arrived drunk at a signing. He slurred his speech. The borrowers complained to the Title company. The notary claimed that he was on medication due to an illness.

The notaries on facebook had a lot of opinions on this subject.
One thought that the notary was unprofessional for taking a job when he was going to take his medication or whatever he took. Another said, "unacceptable". One said that it was "egregious miscalculation of judgement". More than one notary said that the signing agent's commission should be taken away from him.

My experience is only with signers in the hospital that are drugged by nurses right before its time to sign. That cancels the signing in most cases. But, for a notary to be intoxicated and sign is amazing.

I don't even care of it was alcohol or medication. If you are going to have a signing, you should not be intoxicated in any way. If you are a notary who takes medication, wait until after the signing, or cancel the signing. It's that simple. I don't know if the person's commission should be revoked, but their driver license should be, because they are endangering people's lives on the road which is the bigger issue here.

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